Thursday 5 May 2016

Stronger IN - 50 reasons




Bullshit - debunked by the BBC's own fact check website. Government gets its predictions wrong in two months let alone 16 years.







There is no evidence that there would be any trade barriers imposed if we leave - the EU needs our trade more than we need it - to the tune of a £106.4bn trade deficit in Europe's favour. We are the EU's biggest customer worldwide.

Linked to our trade with the EU - not dependent upon our membership. This is a bogus 'fact' based on a 2002 student essay.

Part of the establishment, so what?

Even Stuart Rose, head of the BSE campaign said prices are higher in the UK - by between 8% and 17% because of our EU membership

It's a declining figure of less than 40% (figure includes worldwide exports that go via Rotterdam). This is predicted to diminish further to around 25% by 2025. And there's that trade deficit of £106.4 billion (2015) in their favour. If we go and the EU doesn't get a good trade deal with the UK, the EU fails economically. That's where the power lies in this relationship.

Hardly surprising given where we are geographically - there's no evidence that this would be adversely effected by Brexit.

A stupid one-off comment about a figure that is itself pure fantasy.

Source? Most UK small businesses don't trade with Europe and want to be outside the EU's cloying red tape and regulations that they currently have to meet even if the don't trade with the EU.

Nebulous comment not based in any way on knowable facts.

UK research funding via the EU is less than 4% of the total and is unlikely to diminish because of Brexit because we have the research facilities in the UK that they don't have anywhere else.


Rubbish. These are commercial operators working in a free market - this would not change in the event of Brexit.

What we're at the front of the queue for currently is the massively damaging TTIP which would harm the NHS and allow major US corporations to sue nationally elected governments if their policies affected corporate profits. Not a queue anyone in their right mind would want to join.

Several other unions want to leave as they quite rightly see the EU's immigration policies damaging wage levels and job security as more uncontrolled and unskilled people arrive from third world countries and lesser economies in former eastern bloc countries.

The majority of establishment figures who want to continue the position where ordinary people are kept subservient to the elite who want to carry on exploiting them. Hardly a surprise is it?

More establishment organisations who are all in the same elitist boat and not operating for the benefit of ordinary people and for whom a lack of democracy is a good thing.

Rubbish - not based on any factual evidence whatsoever - the RAC questions these figures and they are simply not knowable given the volatility of oil prices.

The EU's push for green energy has seen UK energy prices increase by more than 50% in the past 7 years, forcing high energy industries away from the UK and causing massive job losses. This is the absolute opposite of reality.

Two thirds of UK farmers want us to leave the EU. Nuff said. The EU's CAP which is still 47% of the total EU budget is about protecting inefficient EU farmers, particularly the French subsistence farming culture which that country could not possibly afford on its own - that's why France is now subservient to Germany.

Rubbish. Saving the £19 billion we spend (give) to the the EU every year would allow us to spend much more on the NHS and other UK infrastructure as well as allowing us to control our borders so that we know how many people's needs we need to meet, which is not the case at the moment. TTIP would be a disaster for the NHS.

Investment - i.e. spending money in the EU's biggest and fastest-growing economy for profit. This is not about our membership it's about trade which will not be adversely effected by Brexit.

Yes because under the terms of our EU membership we are not allowed to forge our own trade deals outside the EU. The EU is a protectionist bloc, preventing us from being more global and preventing Africa from trading its way into the first world. Our existing trade deals would not be effected by Brexit because the EU needs a fair deal with its biggest customer.

Rubbish. The Commonwealth wants to secure trade deals with the world's 5th largest economy and given the language, cultural and historic connections with the UK. The EU does not help our trade with the Commonwealth at all.

Source? Credibility? How can we possibly be better off if we continue to give so much money to the EU that could instead be spent on UK public services? The money coming from the EU is not the EU's money, it is less than 50% of the money we give to the EU for goodness' sake. Only we don't control how it is spent. Madness.

Annual black hole? No evidence to support this. This is just a made-up figure as part of project fear. It is simply not credible.

Source? Credibility? Or finger in the air wishful thinking? There is no evidence to support this claim.

Establishment figure. So what?

If a charity has to be supported by the EU - i.e. by government taxation, it is not a charity. It's time the charity sector was scrutinised much more carefully and that charities were seen to be about supporting good causes rather than as mega salary vehicles for chief executives and management teams.


Tax avoidance is a matter for national governments (until the EU completes its take-over anyway). Juncker and his pals have been helping multinationals to avoid tax for years and now, once it becomes high profile they change their tune? It simply doesn't stack up.

Brexit is a risk to financial stability in Europe - because if we go and there isn't a good (fair) trade deal then the EU economy will sink into recession again. That is vanishingly unlikely to happen (no trade deal) but the risk is to the EU not the UK - why should we continue to pay for and to prop up this failing bloc when it's not in our interests to do so?

This is money that we provide to the EU - and it would represent less than half of what we provide - it is not 'free money'. We could, outside the EU invest more money in these things - we are already doing so - and to suggest our fisheries industry would be helped by the EU which has decimated them over the last 40 years is just laughable.

The UK is the world's leading financial centre. This is like suggesting that we're better off in the EU because it has a small piggy bank, compared to our global financial institutions. Laughable.

Safer? When Frau Merkel is inviting Muslims from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia etc to come to Europe in uncontrolled numbers? With no border controls and the provable migration of terrorists? Rubbish.
Let's get this straight. We cannot (man cannot) control the climate. Every single alarmist prediction made by the IPCC over the past 30 years has failed to materialise. The climate is changing, it always has, we cannot stop it and trying to do so is imposing mega taxes on people who can afford it the least. This is a global scam that is being perpetuated by the EU.

As we have seen recently in France and Belgium this information sharing is dodgy at best - security services are reluctant to share terrorist information within countries let alone internationally. They are not fit for purpose - our own membership of the Five-Eyes system is much more effective and nothing to do with the EU.


We have our own air quality and environmental standards - the EU didn't invent this - it has made use of many of our world-leading standards to bring up standards elsewhere in the Eurozone, not because we were not pulling our weight.

This would not change if we were to leave - we have some of the highest standards of environmental protection in the world - this is a nebulous argument.

The two things that threaten workers' rights the most in the EU are uncontrolled immigration and the TTIP trade deal. We have always set global standards for workers rights and there is no evidence to suggest that this would not continue to be the case following Brexit.

And look where this has got us? Multiculturalism has failed according to Dave and to Frau Merkel. We have always had strong rules in this area but the EU has taken them to more extreme levels to the point where our legally imposed tolerance is being used against us to actually threaten our way of life. Time we took back control of this issue.

It has failed to achieve much at all in 40 years. Importing millions of immigrants who view women as second class citizens is hardly going to help is it?

Ah the pitch for the gay vote? The UK has recognised same sex marriages and equal treatment for minorities of all persuasions - quite rightly. This would not change one iota if we were to leave the EU.

Erasmus has nothing to do with the EU - it is about students from all over the world and the UK's leading institutions will prosper because of their quality whatever we do about Brexit. This is a global market not one run by the EU.

And the UK doesn't have a creative sector without the EU? This is nonsense. The UK creative sector is thriving despite the regimented EU and will be freer to do so outside of the EU.

The EU has created conflict with Russia because of its utterly mad expansionist colonial ambitions. There is no need for this - we should be working with Russia against the current threat (terrorism) rather than still viewing it through the outdated prism of the cold war. Our own foreign policy goals are invariably ignored by the EU.


This is not EU law but a move by the mobile industry. It would be extremely unlikely to change if we leave. And for £55m a day it's hardly a reason to stay in and lose our sovereignty.

The UK is the world's largest per capita donor of aid (of a major economy). We give more per capita than the USA, Germany and France. And we meet our commitments rather than making pledges that are subsequently ignored. And it's our money for goodness' sake. We're already giving 0.7% of GDP to foreign despots who don't need our money as it is.

Or two days' worth of UK contribution to the EU. This is piffle. The EU has made very little impact on the peace process and is itself creating conflict around Europe with its immigration and economic policies.



Yet none of them have said they will leave after Brexit. Some of the most efficient car plants in the world are here in the UK, it's a thriving sector. And the German manufacturers need our business to survive. They are simply not going to jeopardise that. Ford is no surprise since the EU gave it £80m to move Transit van production from Southampton to non-EU Turkey recently.

Yeah yeah and I'm sure we could find hundreds more who take the opposite view. This has no substance to it whatsoever.

The EU should not be about University entrants or success. This is a matter for the universities themselves - they will not suffer inn what is a global 'marketplace' if we leave. Cherry picking some establishment academics who don't make a coherent argument for 'Remain' is hardly proof positive that we should stay in.



And there you have it. The 50 reasons why we should give away our ability to govern ourselves or be able to elect or discard the people who represent us and who we pay for. 50 reasons why we should prop up the world's worst performing trading bloc?

It doesn't amout to a hill of beans does it.

Vote Brexit.

Thanks for reading.






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