Pauline

Right, read it. 1)Taking into ac it is impromptu and written in March: what I agree with is that it is depressing people are happy to see others miserable. That is a direct result of realisation of impact of that vote in my experience: not ‘I told you so’.

I encounter Remainers almost every day and the majority want their fellow Brits to suffer for voting to leave so they can say 'I told you so'. For the same reason they constantly talk down the UK as if we're not good enough, not capable of standing up for ourselves or to have a standing in the world outside the EU. As the 5th largest economy and 2nd most influential nation on the planet, this is clearly ludicrous.

2) we have always had sovereignty and the protections offered from EU in terms of worker’s rights, food safety and a higher court including their recent legisl. re tax avoidance will not be available to us. Who benefits from that- not ordinary folk.

Over 60% of laws which apply to the UK made between 2010 and 2016 were enacted in Brussels and we had no say but to adopt them. We had vey little influence during that period (or any period). Law-making in Brussels comes from the Commission who hand down laws and policies to be rubber stamped by the European Council. It is not a democratic system. The UK has better/more generous workers rights, food and other standards than the EU. These standards are designed to bring less wealthy/mature countries up to the standards of the highest, not to bring the UK up, since we already lead/set the standards in most areas, including environmental, animal rights and green energy (although [latter] not something I support necessarily). Tax avoidance is legal and a matter for HMRC. It has nothing to do with Brexit.

3) although I am part time self employed as a proofreader/ editor I know little about big business but what I have been reading and watching re our trade deals gives me little confidence in what US will offer to us over EU as a bloc. We are sellers & customers.

90% of future global economic growth comes from outside Europe. The EU is currently a shrinking 44% of UK export trade, predicted to fall below 25% by 2030 (WTO). The EU, in 40 years has not been able to secure trade deals with the major global growth economies of India, China or the US. Its recent deal with Canada was held up by Wallonia a small province of Belgium. When the dust settled Canada realised that it had done a deal to help it trade with the UK... and we're leaving. When we leave we will still be Canada's second biggest customer. Significantly bigger than the EU. The US wants to do a trade deal with us for historical relationships reasons, because we are a major, trusted, relatively uncorrupt and financially sound economy and also because Trump loathes the undemocratic EU. Many other nations around the world want to do trade deals with us for the same reasons - and that they'd only need to negotiate with one partner, not 28 + regions. We are the EU's biggest customer on the planet. It has a trade deficit in its favour of over £90bn/yr. We will still trade with the EU when we leave because it is in both sides' interest, but particularly theirs. We are by far the biggest consumer of German cars on the planet, for example (circa 25%). So it's not either the US or the EU. It's both, on our own behalf, instead of the EU and maybe the US sometime, but with the EU making all the decisions for us and taking their share of unnecessary tariffs.

4)The complicated integrated and functioning strong operations in place for sharing on anti-terrorism, customs, people smuggling across EU is seriously challenged post Brexit - staff, costs and operations to botch’s disadvantage.

We are part of the Five Eyes system (UK, Canada, USA, Australia & New Zealand) which is recognised as the world's best anti-terrorism, security and information-sharing organisation. GCHQ is miles ahead of any information/surveillance network the EU can boast. Both are massively valuable to the EU, whereas the security apparatus of the EU is pretty much useless to us as they can't even cooperate between themselves across European borders/languages. By controlling our own borders we will be much better able to stop illegal smuggling of goods and people.

5) It is early days and weak pound makes UK attractive for tourists and maybe students but the EU staff who are already employed in education of whom I know many not a few are not all happy to say where their rights are not secure.Still no reassurance in EU for UK workers.

From the outset we have wanted to guarantee the rights of overseas workers in the UK and we will not be expelling anyone who lives and works here when we leave. We simply do not do that and we will continue to welcome skilled immigrants into the UK. The EU is playing with this, threatening people's rights as part of its brinkmanship programme. Not the UK government. Leave does not mean no immigration by any stretch of the imagination, but control of borders does mean we can do just that and control illegal immigration which is, erm, illegal. The weak pound also helps our economy, exports and jobs.

6) I read widely outside my studies and have been following investigations since last year into CA, DUP spending, the source of hidden funding into Leave campaign and have no faith in the legitimacy of its outcome or how people were duped by undeliverable promises.

Leave didn't make any promises. The only thing Leave has 'promised' is that we leave the EU - the SM, CU and ECJ, as well as taking back fishing waters, leaving the CAP and not paying in to the EU project any more. It hasn't made any promises about jobs or the economy or trade deals other than that they would happen. What promises do you mean? If you're referring to the bus, the discrepancy was between gross and net contribution figures and the suggestion that if we stop paying in to the EU we would be able to spend the money on UK infrastructure is entirely true. Without knowing what the arrangements will be when we leave it is impossible to make promises other than those I state based on fundamental economics like future growth coming from outside Europe. Not that this has stopped Remain from making its scary, negative predictions - none of which has come true so far.

7) I have never seen EU project as perfect but UK has had a damned good deal within it with countless concessions and opps which future generations will not have and no part in decisions about its future. You can’t control what you have no part in.

We have had very little influence in the decisions or policy-making processes of the EU. It's why even Dave wanted a legally binding guarantee that we would be exempt from the future direction (towards federalisation and the creation of a single European state, which is the EU's goal) of the EU. If we stay in, we will lose the pound by 2025 and become an 8% (and shrinking) province in the wider EU state with little or no influence, instead of the world's 5th largest economy in its own right. The concessions and opps of which you speak have all been paid for by us, less the 70% cut that the EU takes before telling us how to spend our own money. The EU has no money of its own as I'm sure you realise.

8) I was brought up near a highly troubled border and future of NI and Ireland has been ignored by Brexit loving British people to their shame. I had personal discussions pre ref with people who admitted it never occurred to them.

My family is from Ballyshannon, just across the border from Norn Iron. The amount of trade across that border is minuscule compared to general UK - EU trade. We have said we will not construct a hard border, as has the EU. Technology and the approval of trusted logistics traffic across the border can solve the problem if both sides are willing to cooperate. It's only a problem if one of them doesn't. And guess which one isn't at the moment?

9)To sum up in purely practical terms I can see no benefits for ordinary people and plenty for elites and Westminster to exploit. I am already witnessing an increase in opps to legit anti- foreign feeling, costs increasing locally and blame on messengers.

Not sure quite what you're getting at here. The benefits to ordinary people of being able to vote in and vote out people who live nearby and understand their issues instead of people who've never heard of your county let alone the town or village you live in are pretty self-explanatory. The economic benefits of the UK trading with growing economies around the world as an expansive, global rather than protectionist inward-focussed EU, are also pretty obvious. As far as 'elites' are concerned, it's the elites who are trying to de-rail Brexit. Remain is/was supported by the big banks the Military Industrial Complex, the New World Order brigade. Leave is about restoring influence and democracy to ordinary voters. And trying to change the rules of the game after it has taken place, is nothing short of cheating. Regarding anti-foreign feeling, I'm sure that was an issue for many leave voters. If you lived in an area that has seen significant inward immigration which has changed the nature of your community, I'm sure you'd take a different view too. People vote for a variety of reasons and their votes are legitimate in our system (or they were until very recently). However the need is to control our borders (like a proper country) so that we know the numbers of people we need to accommodate and can provide infrastructure for them and for the people who pay for it (existing taxpayers). Leave is not a racist movement despite what many Remainers would try to have you believe. And if you want to argue this with me, you'll really need to roll up your sleeves.

10) philosophically I see it as an act of selfishness, inward looking, retrograde, spurred by a whole range of reasons and ultimately very sad. Worse than that is the ‘how’ and the ‘what’ which are still, it seems, unknowable or uncommunicated. I’m done.

Leaving the EU does not mean we're leaving Europe or that we won't still trade with EU members. Nor does it mean that we won't be friendly with European people and states. Nor does it mean we won't go on holiday there or welcome them here. Nor does my antipathy to the EU mean I don't love Europe. I do. It's why I want it to stay as a collection of brilliant, special, distinctive culturally diverse nation states instead of everywhere being 'Germany'. From our point of view, it means that we'll take a much more global view of the world (as we always used to do) and be active around the globe with new trading partners and dealing much more positively and fairly with old friends including Commonwealth members and many other countries with whom we have good relations. This is in no way a little Englander situation. It is exactly the opposite.

Soros is open about his motivation. Not much was open about the donors behind Brexit. The network will all be flushed out eventually and is mired in secrecy and underground hidden illegitimate tactics. Follow the hidden money.

Soros and the establishment, as well as the big banks, are trying to subvert democracy. To deny the legitimacy of ordinary voters for their own globalist, big business benefits. Doesn't that cause you any concern at all? The Electoral Commission, controlled by Bercow, is manned exclusively by Remainers who twice exonerated the Leave campaign and third time they suggested it broke the rules, which is disputed. Remain spent more than double what Leave spent, including Dave's £9m leaflet, and had the full weight of the establishment behind it. And still lost. This is not a valid point. Total spending Remain £19m + £9m leaflet. Leave spend: £13.5m.

Addressing them is fine if only in general terms with limitations of Twitter but trying hard to comprehend that our current situation can be good given what we know now is beyond me I am afraid. About to reach my workplace for a long shift but I like Mondays.

I do find it interesting, having almost demanded them, that you quickly ignore most of my 'benefits of leaving the EU' details and just outline your usual/standard negative claims. Most Remainers do this. They'll throw a challenge at me, I'll respond and explain the issue then they just ignore the explanation and move on to another 'issue'. It's frustrating to say the least, but you have almost done the same, ignoring the following:

• Local legislators and law-makers.

• Knowing what infrastructure is needed for UK population.

• Protecting us from uncontrolled illegal immigration which is changing huge swathes of continental Europe.

• Our status as the EU's biggest customer.

• Our status as the head of a group which includes 1/3 of the world's population.

• The declining economy of the EU.

• The way in which the EU has decimated Southern European terms of youth employment and the rape of Greece.

• 90% of future economic growth coming from outside Europe.

• Existing UK strengths (Universities, Financial, business and legal services).

• The demise of the EU would see everyone except Germany better off. The only beneficiary of the EU and EZ has been Germany. The EU was supposed to protect smaller, weaker nations from the stronger bullies after the last unpleasantness. The opposite has happened.

• The UK staying as a sovereign, free, nation state, governed by and for its own people instead of submersed in a European super-state with its own army, anthem, flag, currency, financial regime (ECB), governed by the Brussels elites, on behalf of Germany.

These are all benefits of our leaving the EU. You may still ignore them, but they are benefits of our leaving the EU. So, please, don't tell me you're still trying to find anyone who can identify any benefits to be gained from our leaving the EU. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

Having said all that, I do appreciate your taking the time to respond to my blog and to do so in a polite and professional way. Happy to continue to kick this about if you want to respond - or not, entirely up to you. Either way I wish you all the best in your endeavours.

Mark

May clearly had absolutely no intention of Brexit meaning Brexit

So what can you do?

You (we) win a free and fair referendum vote, the rules of which were clear and accepted by both sides and then the (our) Prime Minister vows to deliver it in full.

When pressed - because as a former Remainer, there is inevitably some doubt about her commitment - she repeats that 'Brexit means Brexit' time and time again.

Then she repeats, in parliament and elsewhere, countless times, that Brexit will also mean leaving the single market and the customs union and also means our no longer being under the rule of the European Court of Justice. And will also mean that we no longer pay in to the EU. (That particular lie has yet to be exposed, but believe me it will be quite soon).

She establishes a government department to handle the Brexit process and the kick-about begins: We express the desire to create an agreement that is in the interests of the EU as well as the UK. The EU states, time and time again, that it wants to punish us for wanting to leave.

We try to make accommodations to EU concerns, however trivial; they make no compromise and try to be as difficult as they can.

We give credence to their trivia and try to be as nice as we can - even though we know they need us and our trade as much as we need theirs. Its is infuriating and at times embarrassing but we can live with it so long as Brexit continues to mean Brexit. That whatever the embarrassment and humiliation we have to take along the way, we will eventually leave in full and be able then to make our own way in the wider world without being tied to the failing EU.

We can accept the obsequiousness of our government in its dealings with the EU, so long as we know we will attain our freedom at the end of the process.

And then, when the endgame begins, the white paper on our departure, being produced by the Brexit department - our position in the final round of negotiations - is simply dismissed by Theresa May.

Instead, without any warning, she introduces her own paper, produced by her own Remainer civil servants and the first thing she does with it is she shows it to Angela Merkel for her input and approval. Before our cabinet has even seen the document.

Then she gives what is by now almost a done deal, to her own cabinet, with two hours to read the 120 pages before it is discussed at Chequers and, by the way, she issues the threat that if anyone disagrees with it they will have to walk home as they will be sacked and stripped of their ministerial transport.

Now I know that is difficult to believe in a civilised C20th society. A modern government of grown-ups. But that is exactly what happened.

And what is the deal that Theresa and her tame, Remainer civil servants have now imposed on us? (subject to Parliamentary and EU approve of course. Yeah right).

We we will remain in a customs union. Not the customs union but a customs union with the EU so we won't be able to make our own International trade deals on our own behalf.

We will remain in a single market and have to abide by free movement. So we do not regain control of our own borders like a proper country.

We will adopt a common rule book wherein we will have to meet all EU standards for goods and services, even if we don't trade with the EU as a company and without having any means of influencing the rules because we are outside the EU.

And two further things that are not clear now, but will become so quite soon: We will continue to pay in to the EU over and above the ridiculous 'divorce bill' we seem to be resigned to paying and we will, by 2025 at the latest, have to give up the pound in favour of the Euro. As night follows day.

Don't believe me? Just watch. This is now inevitable.

Theresa May never had any intention of Brexit meaning Brexit. She has become the biggest traitor to the UK of all time.

And now, the disastrous position in which she has left the UK will see us falling down the world's economic and performance leagues precisely because of the Remain stance. We cannot trade on our own behalf with the growing economies of the world but will have to rely on the woefully slow and inadequate EU for our international deals instead. We will have to rely on Walloonia to agree before we can.

Remain will be entirely responsible for the coming calamities we will face. And while this is small comfort, we should never forget this and never fail to remind them of it.

Words cannot express how furious I am about this. A life-long Tory who will never vote for them again, indeed, I will do all in my power to campaign against these lying c*nts.

Not a word I ever use really, but no other will do right now.

Thanks for reading.